tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post4688126320597427677..comments2023-06-29T03:06:37.855-07:00Comments on Penasihat Undang-Undang UMNO: Wajarkah?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-49034048487658392152012-01-30T01:48:05.242-08:002012-01-30T01:48:05.242-08:00blogger Pro BN yg byk kali ckp dan cuba dedahkan.....blogger Pro BN yg byk kali ckp dan cuba dedahkan...bhw...terdapat segelintir kepercayaan PM terdiri dr pro pembangkang.puak2 niih yg rekomen syarikat pro pembangkang kat kerajaan.sau mykoreanlove..how do you know that pro goverment lawyers were of average minded..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-74917999731794752402010-07-26T01:34:26.044-07:002010-07-26T01:34:26.044-07:00LLM Claycroft Friend 2003 said...
Tok Zam,
...LLM Claycroft Friend 2003 said...<br /><br /> Tok Zam,<br /><br /> We appoint only the best and the best happens to also act for the opposition. We cant be appointing mediocre lawyers just because they claim to be supporting the government.<br /><br /> By the way, if you still have my number, do give me a call sometime:) Unfortunately, I lost yours.mykoreanlovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09331503480885218316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-52674033758395418262009-07-29T00:35:48.352-07:002009-07-29T00:35:48.352-07:00Dear esteemed readers,
Thank you for your support...Dear esteemed readers,<br /><br />Thank you for your support by reading this posting in my blog. It shows how diverse we are on 1 issues, similarly, it shows how we failed to understand the crux of the issue at hand. <br /><br />What I intend to conclude from that posting, which unfortunately I did not get (or maybe I did not get it right), was whether there is some sense of respectability, morality and honesty of these lawyers! But what I got was ridicule statements of my intelligence, analogical deduction etc. I never and will never profess that I am the brightest of all but at least I make stand clear i.e. I support UMNO/BN and will never do something against it. That is the silent rule, otherwise, you will have lawyers changing courts depending on their clients' case. Yes, we are professional but what lacking is integrity! Why has not any of them come out and deny that they do work for these GLCs? Obviously, you cannot have the cake and at the same time eat it, right.<br /><br />My honest opinion and I stand to be corrected.<br /><br />Thank you.hafarizamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13548152927550678074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-51350421460126973442009-07-28T22:17:31.025-07:002009-07-28T22:17:31.025-07:00the GLCs are Government Linked Companies, lah. Th...the GLCs are Government Linked Companies, lah. They are not UMNO linked companies. UMNO belongs to it's members. The government belongs to the party in power. To say that the Government is UMNO is wrong. One is a political party whereas the Government is the servant of the people. We must be clear that GLCs do not belong to UMNO and are not beholden to UMNO. GLCs work for the government and thus are responsible to the rakyat. <br /><br />The poor legal advisor needs some legal advise himself. If this is the calibre of UMNO's legal advisor, it is no wonder the party is sinking. Un-clever man, this legal advisor.CarieDianneMarcenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07375583109551171947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-48747960706891025962009-07-28T19:12:17.622-07:002009-07-28T19:12:17.622-07:00Apa susahnya, mereka (GLC, Banks dll) memilih pegu...Apa susahnya, mereka (GLC, Banks dll) memilih peguam tersebut kerana mereka tahu peguam yang bukan dari UMNO adalah lebih jujur, profesional, dan mengikut prinsip keadilan dan perundangan bukan macam peguam UMNO yang penipu, berkepentingan diri sendiri, korup, takbur, tidak jujur, angkuh, sombong macam UMNO jugaMyTJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004762568851214286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-79658047229009314462009-07-28T08:49:27.875-07:002009-07-28T08:49:27.875-07:00Salam dear hafarizam,
I am a laymen but I think t...Salam dear hafarizam,<br /><br />I am a laymen but I think the example that given by Abdullah AR is not relevent. Look below<br /><br />If we stretch your argument to its logical conclusion, then no lawyer who advises/represents GLCs could represent ordinary people against the government. Take for example, medical negligence in a government hospital. I do not think there could be any objection to a lawyer representing a GLC to represent a client suing the government doctor and the government.<br /><br />This is negligence case and focus on civil case from ordinary individual. And the case will not giving any effect to stability to our country. <br /><br />I don't think this an apple to apple comparisonDetguaqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271089454128901785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-33484885331000909992009-07-28T06:55:40.437-07:002009-07-28T06:55:40.437-07:00Dear Sir,
Hope I'm not too late to join in on ...Dear Sir,<br />Hope I'm not too late to join in on this interesting discussion.<br /><br />The logic you presented goes like this...<br />The GLCs belong to the government. The law firms in your list get business from the GLCs. At the same time, the law firms whack the government. Therefore, these law firms have become ungrateful; they need to be embargoed from getting business from the GLCs.<br /><br />Let's apply the same logic on a related matter...<br />Malaysia belongs to its people. The BN government was put into power by the majority of the people. At the same time, the BN government screws the rakyat by raping the country's institutions like the judiciary, the MACC, and the police. Therefore this BN government has become way beyond ungrateful; they need to be embargoed from ever running this country, until they start to respect the rakyat.<br /><br />I don't know about your lawyer's logic, but my engineer's logic tells me that the above paragraph makes sense, no?Have a Break!https://www.blogger.com/profile/09804756416719600253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-70945296404836693472009-07-28T05:12:43.687-07:002009-07-28T05:12:43.687-07:00Peguam menjalankan tugasnya yang dilantik oleh
man...Peguam menjalankan tugasnya yang dilantik oleh<br />mana mana firma atau bank-bank didalam urusan perniagaan mereka,biasalah tugas ak propeguam tidak mengira mana-mana parti politik,kalau nak kira itu peguam pembangkang jangan ambil jadi penal,<br />jika berlaku sedemikian perilaku pihak firma-firma dan bank-bank tidak profesynel.sszamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07654694447193970551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-56401245160070726712009-07-28T04:53:37.802-07:002009-07-28T04:53:37.802-07:00I'm with a BN component party - have been sinc...I'm with a BN component party - have been since 1979 but I totally disagree with the manner the list of so-called ungrateful lawyers (who have benefitted from BN patronage but yet choose to work for PR pro-bono)is put out in your blog. It would seem that you are an interested party - being another lawyer in practice and all. Is this ethical? or the ends justifify whatever means (even unethical ones)?hurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024351283081265789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-35313863642688938522009-07-28T04:48:27.201-07:002009-07-28T04:48:27.201-07:00UMNO/BN memang kurang kering aka lombap...too bad,...UMNO/BN memang kurang kering aka lombap...too bad, huhcucu PATI PAShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02414882916747416351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-40376930437790108512009-07-28T04:39:49.514-07:002009-07-28T04:39:49.514-07:00sdr Hafarizam,
saya kira tulisan ini amat memaluk...sdr Hafarizam,<br /><br />saya kira tulisan ini amat memalukan karier profesional sdr.<br /><br />apakah sdr fikir jika UMNO-BN tumbang maka agensi2 berkenaan akan ditutup?<br /><br />manusia berkhidmat dengan merit, dan merit tidak diukur dengan sokongan politik. tolong jangan malukan UMNO-BN dengan pandangan begini.Amin Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02329809975183197995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-52003616526203817392009-07-28T04:12:53.356-07:002009-07-28T04:12:53.356-07:00Habis, yang selama ni UMNO dan rakannya menyamun d...Habis, yang selama ni UMNO dan rakannya menyamun duit negara tu korang tak pulak bising. Korang ingat bank-bank tu UMNO/BN punya ke? Selama ni syarikat guaman tu buat kerja, dan hasilnya pula memuaskan. Sebab tulah sampai sekarang servis mereka masih diteruskan. Bukan macam sesetengah geng UMNO/BN yang buat bisnes secara 'hit-and-run'. Lepas tu tinggalkan segala bala bencana pada klien. Dah banyak benda macam ni berlaku. Bila orang lain dapat UMNO/BN sebok tak tentu hala. Korang ingat yang patut dapat projek bilion-bilion, juta-juta orang UMNO/BN aje ke? Piiiiirah!Hansley Arnaz Hawanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15434080801314237718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-32559208894667347552009-07-28T03:02:48.682-07:002009-07-28T03:02:48.682-07:00Sdr Hafarizam,
Adakah saudara sudah mencuba menda...Sdr Hafarizam,<br /><br />Adakah saudara sudah mencuba mendapatkan pekerjaan daripada PKNS, PKINK atau PDC? Saya pasti tidak sebab saudara berpegang pada prinsip yg saudara cuba ketengahkan diatas. <br /><br />Tetapi kalau saudara telah mencuba tetapi tidak berjaya, bolehkah saya kata email ini bukan dari org lain tapi dari saudara sendiri untuk membri tahu bahawa kalau kerajaan boleh bersikap adil kepada peguam2 tersebut, kenapa kerajaan pembangkang tidak memberi ruang yang sama terhadap saudara dan rakan-rakan.<br /><br />Dan melihat analogi Abdullah AR diatas, saya juga ingin menambah, bolehkah saudara nyatakan firma2 penyokong kerajaan yg sekarang memberi khidmat kepada syarikat2 kepunyaan negeri pembangkang? dan sanggupkah saudara mencabar mereka supaya menarik diri atas 'rasional' prinsip yg saudara nyatakan.<br /><br />Terima kasihAbout eCopy4uhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00477202137873346196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-48044918893457226592009-07-28T02:47:07.249-07:002009-07-28T02:47:07.249-07:00sudahla..at the moment BN=KERAJAAN, later BN no lo...sudahla..at the moment BN=KERAJAAN, later BN no longer KERAJAAN PERSEKUTUAN, so kalau prinsip ini lah yang datuk hidupkan maka..pei jahanam la 1malaysia. peguam mangkuk.wmasyahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00604087629861322112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-51955567579871017502009-07-28T02:15:27.027-07:002009-07-28T02:15:27.027-07:00Aaahhhh, is that why you guys are Pro-government? ...Aaahhhh, is that why you guys are Pro-government? Does professional ethics and profesional duty come into the equation for you? What happens WHEN BN is voted out the next election? Are you prepared to stick with BN, or will you sell your souls then?pheedomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08397392658233497323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-161132656548826782009-07-27T22:11:02.735-07:002009-07-27T22:11:02.735-07:00Datuk,
we appreciate if Datul could reply to a co...Datuk,<br /><br />we appreciate if Datul could reply to a comment appears in Malaysian Bar website http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/members_opinions_and_comments/tidak_wajar.html in relation to this posting.The Collectorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09154879926251889234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-83604578343958064302009-07-27T01:47:30.330-07:002009-07-27T01:47:30.330-07:00Mana PANGLIMA UMNO semua?? Mana PEMUDA UMNO ygbera...Mana PANGLIMA UMNO semua?? Mana PEMUDA UMNO ygberani bertempik?? Dah tahu benda ini berlaku apa lagi tunggu?? Buat lah operasi pembersihan!!!<br /><br />Itu la kalau orang cakap Pemimpin UMNO dan PEMUDA UMNO lembab dan BODOH marah tetapi ini jelas tak aa tindakan.. memang BODOH!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-28606632457858489682009-07-13T16:47:15.300-07:002009-07-13T16:47:15.300-07:00Dear Abdullah AR,
Having read your explanation, I...Dear Abdullah AR,<br /><br />Having read your explanation, I must say that you have a point there i.e. lawyers are on a 'cab-rank rule. But, the story does not just stop there! I have seen, in the course of handling this Perak issue, how emotional they have become (which in turn made me to be emotional also. One example was when we were in Federal Court, one of their lawyers shouted 'hidup Nizar', thus, should I just keep quiet? Obviously NOT! So, I shouted 'hidup Zambry'); and they apply all sort of tactics just to delay (yes, that is allowed but ethics?). It is still fresh in my mind (March 2nd to be precise), I was doing the filing of the Orginating Summons at the Ipoh High Court Registry, I was asked whether I am filing an injucntion, I said becuase I cant do that. I in turn asked if their clients are willing to 'adjourn the sitting under the tree to which their answer, NOPE SORRY1'. I understand very well they are are under instructions, but so do I. That was why we filed an injunction to stop further illegal assembly & made me to say, on air, 'Mesyuarat bawah Pokok hanyalah mesyurat bawah Pokok'.<br /><br />I have also seen how they orchastrated their client's case just to fit their political hunger (have you seen lawyers, almost immediately after the case adjourned/ended, frantically rushed outside Court and start making comments to the press? Now, if I do not do it also, what will happen to BN's position? You know very well that alternative media will not have anything good to say to about BN? so, where do we get our side of the story explained?)<br /><br />Last not but least, the amount of vexatious actions filed in Courts by them do not augur well with the discharge of their duties. I still remember, almost a day after the collapse of Pakatan pembangkang Government's in Perak, one of their lawyer filed a declaration to declare the 3 seats vacant but later on, withdraw! Yes, it is allowed, but should not you give a deep thought about it before you even file.<br /><br />Thus, whilst they may have made a name (and so do I) but getting carried away (unless you come out and say that I am PKR lawyer or DAP lawyer (or advisers) just like me), you lose your respect by others.<br /><br />My two cent worth, if I may.hafarizamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13548152927550678074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-74662295925039731242009-07-13T08:29:59.716-07:002009-07-13T08:29:59.716-07:00Hafarizam
I didn't mean that it was you who w...Hafarizam<br /><br />I didn't mean that it was you who was about to scream. I think you would be above that. But I thought it would not be beyond some other UMNO bloggers to say that. I'm sorry I did not make myself clear.<br /><br />I think it is nor fair for you to reproduce the email. The client of the lawyers concerned are not even up against the government. Nizar is against Zambry.<br /><br />If we stretch your argument to its logical conclusion, then no lawyer who advises/represents GLCs could represent ordinary people against the government. Take for example, medical negligence in a government hospital. I do not think there could be any objection to a lawyer representing a GLC to represent a client suing the government doctor and the government.<br /><br />However, what troubles me in your post and your comment at 4:38 is my perception of your subconcious thinking as the PUU of UMNO that UMNO/BN and government are the same. Khazanah, Petronas, BSN etc are government owned. They are not UMNO/BN owned. So there should not be any conflict of interest when lawyers who count GLCs as their clients represent politicians against UMNO/BN/BNpoliticians.<br /><br /><br />Having read the comments, I must apologise for saying that I discern a thinking that the relationship between these GLCs and these lawyers is like a master and servant relationship. Almost like the relationship between Class F contractors and the government. An insinuation that these lawyers are dependent on the GLCs work but are "biting the hands that feed them". An insinuation that the jobs given to these lawyers could be done by any lawyer. It is far from that. There is a reason the GLCs engaged these lawyers. People like Ranjit, Koh and Tommy had earned their reputation as top lawyers in their respective areas of practice even before the GLCs courted them, if any.<br /><br />If they or anyone else really do pro-bono work for the opposition or anybody, I do not think we have the right to say anything about that.<br /><br />Lastly, I cannot get hold of the BAFIA at the moment. But I would think that even foreign owned banks have to be licensed by BNM before they could operate in M'sia. I do not think that gives the government any share in these foreign banks. Likewise, I do not see how licensing by BNM would impliedly give the government any share in the local banks. Are local banks like Public Bank considered GLC?<br /><br />Thank youAbdullah ARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02227585984983200500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-84594429538600371892009-07-13T04:38:02.033-07:002009-07-13T04:38:02.033-07:00Dear Abdullah AR,
Thank you for your comments. I ...Dear Abdullah AR,<br /><br />Thank you for your comments. I agree that almost half if not three-quarter are not GLCs. However, under the BAFIA (Banking and Financial Institutions Act), it will have to get Bank Negara's licence/approval, so impliedly (if not expressly) Government will have shares. I agree, if it is HSBC or Citibank, it is foreign owned but what about BSN, CIMB etc. What about Khazanah Nasional, Kerajaan Negeri Terengganu etc, they are definitely not foreign owned!<br /><br />I do not profess to be Malay-ultra because I got British Government's scholarship (Chevening programme) to pursue my Masters neother do I will scream for the innuendos suggested by you! But what I do not understand is the hyprocity displayed by them in 'getting fees from doing works for related companies of the Government but bringing down (by doing pro bono work) the very same Government'. Where is the balance in all these?<br /><br />Thank you.hafarizamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13548152927550678074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-26127509407967245212009-07-13T02:27:01.996-07:002009-07-13T02:27:01.996-07:00Hafarizam
Almost half, if not three-quarter of th...Hafarizam<br /><br />Almost half, if not three-quarter of the institutions listed in the email are not GLCs. Some could even be foreign-owned. Ooopppss.. Did I hear someone screaming foreign conspiracy to topple a Melayu government?<br /><br />It is understandable, although I still think it is shallow of you, if the email had mostly GLCs in the list.<br /><br />I think yo should stick to your legal arguments and updates, which I find readable.Abdullah ARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02227585984983200500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-72085004685758859672009-07-07T03:12:12.243-07:002009-07-07T03:12:12.243-07:00Dear Full,
Thank you for your commnents. I agree ...Dear Full,<br /><br />Thank you for your commnents. I agree that maybe I should limit it to Perak issue but nevertheless, when you have to write you just have to, thus my latest analysis on Manek Urai by-election.<br /><br />Dear Full, that article does not only refer to Banks, but also GLCs and Barisan Nasional Government definitely has direct and indirect interest in them, thats why we have Khazanah Nasional.<br /><br />There is no cover up in Perak issue. Infact, I was informed (although it may be hearsay), my learned friend Chan Kok Keong was supposed to be Ipoh Deputy Mayor should the Government of Perak under pakatan pembangkang did not fall; my learned friend Leong Cheok Keng was supposed to be Majlsi Bandaraya Ipoh Councillor; and my learned friend Ngeh Hock Chek was supposed to be Senator. Thus, what is the bottomline here? Surely, not openly and transparently working for the cause of justice.<br /><br />Thank you.hafarizamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13548152927550678074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-28399754502136594472009-07-06T08:02:07.111-07:002009-07-06T08:02:07.111-07:00first of all, these banks are not even owned by BN...first of all, these banks are not even owned by BN ....if at all, they only have an interest in the institutions.<br /><br />pada pandangan saya, if some ppl think that BN should only give their contracts to their own ppl, by all means find a land and bring BN ppl their and they can share all their riches amongst themselves. as a layperson, the isu of wajar atau tidak adalah propaganda datuk untuk membangkitkan sentimen yg tdk berasas. <br /><br />If you want to concentrate on the perak isu, perhaps the best thing to do is concentrate on the relevant legal point and not attacking lawyers unnecessarily. Sememangnya tidak wajar.....bukanlah para peguam yang tidak wajar...ttp tindakan datuk yang tidak berasas adalah tidak wajar. These are just views of a layperson. Maybe i am not as learned as yourself but such are my views. <br /><br />the real hypocrites are not those who work openly and transparently but those who work their magic hands in covering up scandals and crisis such as the one in Perak.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14967248223414242585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-67652160554999364532009-07-05T08:03:43.425-07:002009-07-05T08:03:43.425-07:00Datuk Hafarizam,
Commentators who called you raci...Datuk Hafarizam,<br /><br />Commentators who called you racist and hypocritical.. just could not see the points that you put forward. <br /><br />The important point that you trying to say.<br /><br />I would like to highlights those points to them..<br /><br />So. People.<br /><br />The whole world knows that lawyers especially the pro PR lawyers always bashing the NEP, as if the system never fed them. The policy only benefits UMNO people and the selective races.<br /><br />SO. ABOVE EMAIL. ABOVE POSTING BY DATUK HAFARIZAM SHOWS HOW HYPOCRITES THESE LAWYERS ARE.<br /><br />THE ONLY THING THEY TALKED ABOUT IS THE UNFAIRNESS AND THE DOWNSIDE OF THE NEP.<br /><br />THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM OR THE POLICY IS ACTUALLY INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY BENEFITS THEM.<br /><br />HOW THE SYSTEM ENRICHED THEM. HOW THE SYSTEM PUT THEM ON TODAYS POSITION.<br /><br />THUS. DATUK HAFARIZAM IF THERE IS ANY EFFORT SPEARHEADED BY YOU TO WITHDRAW THE CONTRACTS OR TO CUTT OF THE PANEL-SHIP FROM THESE UNGRATEFUL, HYPOCRITES LIARS...<br /><br />YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT<br /><br />P/s:<br /><br />THE CONTRACT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE AT LEAST ADMIT THAT THEY ACTUALLY BENEFITED FROM NEP.Patriot Garanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05261927236974541329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3193159770241309559.post-31614361975696102282009-07-03T16:37:57.931-07:002009-07-03T16:37:57.931-07:00banyak lagi dato firma guaman yg dpt projek dari g...banyak lagi dato firma guaman yg dpt projek dari gov tapi penyokong kuat pembangkang dalam nk jatuhkan gov.kawan saya isterinya dapat surat guaman utk urusan ptptn.apparently firm yg hantar surat tu adalah zico.justice through lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04814691237104128952noreply@blogger.com